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MX Sebas 2006 - Skate review

Sebastien Laffargue's pro model

by BigSteev

Additional Photography by Phil Downer

 



Well these were a pleasant surprise! I'd ordered them while in Shanghai in August but my size (UK 10.5) wasn't available and I was told they'd be sent over. To be honest, I'd almost about them until the DHL man appeared on my doorstep.

Taking them out of the box the first thing I noticed was that they came with two decent handled Allen keys (one for the wheels and the other for the chassis) and two pairs of alternative heel shocks one of which feels very soft and the other fairly hard. I'm guessing the one in the skates is somewhere in the middle. Nice attention to detail anyway.

The Seba was offered with a choice of 3 different chassis lengths 243mm, 231mm or 219mm, which can accommodate (just) 80mm, 76mm or 72mm wheels respectively. I've heard rumours that the shortest one is no longer available but that's not definite. Having large feet I have the 243mm on mine and it's a pretty impressively made chassis. I've noticed that when I tighten up my wheels on my Salomon FSKs, the chassis can rub on the bearings and impede their rolling. This doesn't happen here as they have been nicely machined to ensure that the only contact is with the inner race of the bearing. The chassis also differ from the FSK ones in that they aren't UFS so should fit on boots like Twisters without too much trouble.

The other nice thing that I noticed about the chassis was that they are separate left and right ones. This is useful for example if you need to tighten a wheel while you're wearing them. On both feet the Allen bolt heads will be on the instep of your foot which is much easier to access. A small point but having occasionally had to contort myself to do up an FSK bolt, it's one I'll appreciate.

Moving on to the wheels, these are labelled as Seba 80mm 85a's. I'm not sure but the orange hubs look identical to the ones used on Hyper + Grips, so I'll hope the urethane is the same too. I guess time will tell.(1) The bearings are ABEC5 rated and feel very smooth but again time will be the test here.

On to the boot itself. The liner reminded me of my Rollerblade Lightening 5's being lined with 'coolmax' and cut quite low towards the Achilles. It has quite a large strap handle to assist with pulling them on and for carrying them. The boot feels pretty stiff and is narrower than my FSKs (hopefully not too narrow). There are ratchet straps on the cuff and to hold the heel down along with a Velcro strap across the top of the foot. Combined with the laces they hold your feet firmly allowing the positive control of the skates required in slalom.

The cuff is held on with some fairly meaty looking screws so I'd imagine the problem of these falling out on Twisters is unlikely to reoccur here.(2) The washers around these feature an off centre hole so that they can be rotated to any of 4 positions to change the angle of the cuff to better tailor the boot to your feet. One thing to note about the heel strap is that it has a ratchet to tighten it and a quick release that isn't necessarily obvious in the way it works. (well it took me a while). To release you just need to push down on the outside of the clip. It's simple, just not obvious.

The boot comes in two colour combinations - black and silver which I have and one with more red in it. So what does it skate like? Good Question - I'll let you know as soon as I've used it more than just going to the shops.

My initial run was cut short as, with the chassis in its default position, I found myself pronating quite badly. This may be due to the fact that I've used FSKs for ages and they naturally cause your feet to sit on your outside edges. Anyway, it's fairly easy to correct, just by loosening the chassis mounting bolts and sliding the chassis to the inside of the foot before retightening. 2 points of note here are firstly, the mounting bolts are 3/16" instead of the usual metric 4mm which would be a pain were it not for the provided Allen key and secondly, it should be possible to adjust the chassis to just about anyone's requirements given that there are 2 slots in each chassis and no less than 7 mounting holes both front and rear.

Having moved the chassis slightly, I tried them out on an LFNS and was pleasantly surprised. They seemed to work fine for a street skate with nothing rubbing or causing discomfort and they seemed plenty quick enough. I still needed to move the chassis on the left boot further in as it was still pronating a little, but I did that when I got home and I shall try them again at the weekend both on the Stroll and in their intended role, on the slalom course. With the chassis moved slightly further to the inside, the skates felt a lot better but several people commented on the pronation.

Having looked at the skates while they were off, it looks as though this is to do with the angle that the chassis mounts are at and, short of introducing some kind of wedge between chassis and boot, is going to be a permanent feature. As I mentioned it could be that using FSKs for years has mean that my 'natural' position makes this more pronounced and others may not feel it to the same extent so I'd advise taking some time when you try them to see how they feel for you. In terms of doing a street skate, they are perfectly fast and comfortable enough. They'll be a little less hardwearing than an FSK for street use but that's not surprising as that wasn't their design aim, but I reckon they'd be on a par with the K2 Soul series of skates. Of course, what they were designed for is slalom and between the cones they felt good. A more positive feeling than FSKs and, in my opinion, more so than Twisters (3). I spoke to Cedric who also has a pair, and his impressions mirrored my own so I guess that must say something. It'll be interesting to see how Nathan and JB adapt to them once theirs arrive courtesy of Universkate.

Verdict

Overall, I'd say that the Sebas are a well thought out and well constructed skate. Taking on board the usual proviso that they'll need to be a comfortable fit for your feet, I'd have no hesitation in recommending them, particularly if slalom is your main thing and you like to do a bit of street skating as well. They should be available from about mid-February but I have no idea of price at the moment.

Appendix

(1) Having spoken to Sebastien, I can confirm that the wheels are indeed made by Hyper which is great as it not only means that you're getting good wheels, it indicates that they haven't cut corners to save money.

(2) Again, I spoke to Seb about this and he said that these screws will still come loose and you should keep an eye on them, but that it will happen less often than the ones on Twisters and they are working on improving them further.

(3) Note, my experience of Twisters is limited to a pair from a couple of years ago and not the most recent models.

Thanks to
London Skaters for the review.


SEBA FR1 Skate Review

Review by: BigSteev

Freeskating in the post-FSK era

When Salomon announced that they were getting out of the Inline skate market I, and I'd imagine many other FSK users, wondered what would be the alternative when their current skates perished. I've tried Twisters and didn't get on with them, I've tried the Seba slalom models and found the chassis position caused me to pronate too much and K2s just don't fit me comfortably. By best option so far has been a custom combination of an aggro boot (Salomon Vinny Minton or Chad Sands) mated with an FSK or Viper chassis. This has proved comfortable but a tad heavy on street skates, but now I think my problem has been solved.

Introducing the Seba FR1.

A quick glance reveals it's roots in the Seba slalom model and indeed many of the components are shared, but where the slalom model has a softer, more hockey boot like shell, the FR1's boot is a hard plastic shell more like a Twister or a Roces Lowrider. This should prove harder wearing for street use and the addition of replaceable white blocks to protect from wear to the outside of the foot through things like failed slides enforces this notion. Like the slalom model the boot has multiple mounting locations for the chassis, but unlike it, I felt balanced on my centre edge as soon as I put them on. I also felt the boot was a little wider so instantly more comfortable for me. They do come with laces, but I've chosen to run them without, partly as it make it quicker to put on/take off and partly because I don't have any spare chequered laces at the moment. Even without laces, my feet felt well held in the boot. I noticed that the padding around the ankle is designed to help with heel hold, and combines well with the ratchet ankle strap to achieve this.

Another carry over from Seba's slalom models is the adjustable cuff. This can be raised or lowered or angled by loosening the retaining bolts on the cuff and rotating the washer to the desired position. A little experimentation should reveal the most suitable position.

Wheels, bearings and chassis.

The wheels are 80mm 85a Seba branded offerings which work fine for me, though possible a little hard for a lighter skater. I believe them to be made by Hyper and are far better than what came on FSKs. The bearings are the well renowned ILQ-9 Twincam (slalom pro model) which is nice to see. (bearings are an easy point for skate manufacturers to save money so it's good to see your getting quality components for your money. The chassis is 6000 series aluminium and, on my size 11s, comes in a 243mm length. It looks strong enough and there wasn't any noticeable flex in use. They are also nicely machined so as not to impair the free spinning of the wheels.

Other observations

A lot of people had issues with FSKs causing ankle pain, and in many cases this seemed to be attributable to the way the shells were joined in the ankle area and the raised edges of the plastic facing inwards. Whilst I never experienced that, the one piece construction of the Seba boot should mean that that problem won't be an issue here. However, I have notice that the 2 tiny rivets on the inside of the cuff bolt have already caused some wear on the liner. I intend to cover these with some duct tape to reduce the friction with the rough edges before this becomes a major issue. The styling, black boot with white cuff, is very reminiscent of a Deemax3 so has fond memories for me. There is a blue option but I'm unsure as to whether these will be available in the UK.

Note that the skate comes with 2 quality 'T' Allen keys and a different set of shock absorbers to fit under the heel. It does not come with a heel brake so may not be suitable for beginners (though @ £200 they're aimed at more experienced skaters anyway).  That said, it's quite likely you can add an aftermarket speedskate brake like the Powerslide one (not tested yet though).

Using them

As I mentioned, as soon as I tried them on, I felt centred and the boots felt very comfortable. It didn't take much for the cash to leave my wallet and I think the fact that I was happy to use them for the Santa Skate that evening should speak volumes for the confidence they inspired in me. Although I knew the skate would not be particularly fast, I would be skating with a video camera so I'd need to be able to get from back to front easily, be manoeuvrable and do that without paying too much attention to the potholes of the London streets. They worked perfectly and remained comfortable throughout.
 

Verdict

I'm happy! I've found what will be my Salomon FSK replacements. Maybe they'll work for you too.


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